Critical Thinking on Climate Change: separating Skepticism from Denial by Dr Richard Milne

Really good talk. Well in, Dr. Milne.

He lost me at what’s 463 * 132. Mathematics is not science, it’s a language, and a tool of thought. The answer to that question is arrived from complete logical deduction from a few axioms that are postulated (without evidence) to be true at the core of number theory. There is no need for consensus or empiricism among mathematicians, something is true if the demonstration is correct. This is completely and i do mean completely unlike the infinitely less precise process by which the “scientific questions” in his later table get their supposed factual answer. Clearly he wanted to make… Read more »

Climate change is real, and man made. Therefore climate scientists can now
be laid off as their work is complete. We the public believe you, thank you
for your work and good luck in your new careers.

I really wish this had never become politicized. I am an anthropogenic
climate catastrophe skeptic. I am unconvinced by the evidence I have been
given before, and came here to find better evidence. All I got from this
guy was how my skepticism was a masquerade for wanting to disbelieve. I aim
to learn the truth. And here, I found little.

Thank you!!! Great work.

We have had some warming of about .75 C over the last century and a
half.CO2 is probably responsible for some of it.However the latest data
strongly suggests that the CO2 effect is quite small and will not lead to
dangerous warming.Even the last IPCC report[2013] concedes that Climate
Sensitivity is not as high as previously assumed.Your turn Giles!

USE YOUR BRAIN

US is a constitutional republic, I’m not sure that you understand what
meritocracy really means. Whether the society should act regarding climate
change more in the direction of prevention or more in direction of
adaptation, whether radical actions should be taken now regardless of the
costs or more conservative approach is to be taken, finally does “we the
people” wish to make any scarifies in their living standard in order to
prevent climate change – are all matters of public debate …. “lol”

We live in a meritocracy. That’s how it is in EVERY facet of life in
America. Should I decide what a corporation does, or should the CEO, a
person expert in such things? Maybe I can browse on the net for a few hours
and then be an expert LOL.

1. Who has anointed climate research experts to be experts on establishing
the proper judgement on how we should handle the issue of climate change at
the level of public policy? 2. Are you sure you are not overblowing the
area of what is the”97%” climatologists actually agree on? “97%” may well
agree to the mundane fact that climate change is primarily man made, but
does that make you entitled you rubber stamp this as “97%” of experts
endorsing the policies you are advocating?

BAH!

The problem isn’t with the experts, it’s with the lobbyist groups. Very
similar lobbyist groups that propel nations into war under the guise of
being experts on the matter. You keep citing the number of experts as
evidence of the events themselves, which is an appeal to authority, is it
not? It is the merits of the arguments that are to be attacked.

No fingerprint found for CO2 warming troposphere, measurements have been
done with satellite. Warming at sea level and on ground based thermometers
are showing increase, but in this part of the atmosphere, water vapor is
the predominant cause of greenhouse warming. Temp ‘rise’ in lower
troposphere is in the order +/-0,1C from 1979-2013, confirmed with
satellite and weather balloons. Thermometer rise in same period: +0,4C,
caused by water vapor, clouds and sunshine.

Dr Richard Milne, School of Biological Sciences, presents Critical Thinking
on Climate Change: separating skepticism from denial.

Recorded on 11 October 2011.

Gov has experts who SHOULD handle such things based on evidence. That’s why
your water is clean. Voting is not relevant. But, you should know that
you’re in the minority, and that the minority is only as big as it is due
to MASSIVE propaganda.

“and most of the world population.. “. Are you ready to have a vote on this? -Like right now?

You forgot to insert the words “of non-scientific nonsense” between “lot:
and “to”.

balance in&out TOA radiation (debate-neutral mid point of “best estimates”
skeptic Dr. Lindzen +1.6 & pro Dr. Hansen +2.8) then “Global Warming” will
stop when the oceans are ~+2.2 degrees C warmer than about 60 years ago.
It’ll take a few centuries to mix. Deepest 80% ocean is avge. ~4.4 and that
will rise to ~6.8 with my example.

For anybody interested in what “Global Warming” is (almost nobody knows
apparently) it’s an increase in the ocean heat content. Surface temperature
is a somewhat complex symptom that affects flora & fauna and it’s an
okayish proxy that depends on how the ocean is mixing, absorbing and
releasing its heat at any time, including any new heat, it isn’t “Global
Warming”. For example if “final” (exc. natural periodic vagaries) CO2x2
average surface temperature of +2.2 degrees C is required in order to

1. please give me the precise reference for the article of this year April.
2. I find it quite amusing and sad at the same time that the editor of a
scientific journal actually resigned because he accepted a paper of Roy
Spencer (because his paper was so flawed!!)! Doesn’t shine a good light on
your source. Do you have another source showing that CO2 doesnt have a
warming effect?

BBC = Bad Bad sCience

That’s an easily refutable statement, there’re some animal species well
adapted to live under high concentrations of CO2, eg naked mole rats (or
any other burrowing animal for the matter). Plants also grow perfectly with
more CO2. I’m not sure if you’re aware that the increase in atmospheric CO2
concentration since the preindustrial period has been of about 40%. If you
are at home with your windows closed, the CO2 concentration inside will
increase several orders of magnitude over those levels.

Theory is theory. And I will not shut up. Furthermore I do not need the
paper. You have to prove CO2 rises temperature. It does not. It keeps heat
from the sun longer in the atmosphere. That is what the teory of Climate
gases is all about. And time and time we have to say this: It is in the
LOWER TROPOSPHERE, not at seal-Level, the temp should be rising, if the
climate gases were responsible for warming. As You well know, this is
barely the case. Thus there is no real proof that a 33% rise…

I mean chart

And he actually tried to parse what he considered healthy skepticism and
deniers.

Did he really say “We in the UK have an impartial broadcaster, the BBC”.
BWAHHAHAAHAHDOHAHADHFOOKOFFHAHAPuke,,,,

On the contrary, they (we) often say, what it it was the other way around,
and the temperature dropped by 1-2 deg celsius? This would cause global
problems for us human beings. Food production would drop drastically, and
people would literary freeze to death. This can cause real problems for
hundreds of millions of people. And on he goes with a new syllogism about
Chernobyl and radiation. The same joke, as 3 times before, just with
different parameters. And then the film Armageddon (Willis) …

You’re calling me an idiot? I want everyone to look at this chart and tell
me who is the idiot here? Me or HessenDragoonie? tinyurl (dot) com (slash)
cadldg2 = NO WARMING in over 16 years! (With all the fear they seem to have
about ‘catastrophic’ warming you’d think they’d be DELIGHTED AND RELIEVED
to know it isn’t true but no, out comes their TRUE COLOR – a political
agenda not science.)

the earth warmer in it self. Space is the real cooler of the earth’s
atmosphere. The sun is the real heat source. No infrared rays from the sun,
and temp on earth will be -200C. CO2 or not.

A good scientist filters information before he starts to consider it. Or he
will never reach any conclusion, he’ll be collecting data for ever. The
analogies of detective-work, makes one ask the question: Has the crime ever
occurred? Who died? What happened? To arrest people before crimes are done
will reduce crime, but is not good detective work.

XD LMFAO what are you? the replacement troll? How many more of you are
lined up for me to destroy?

“should be” so it fits the alarmists’ claim, when in reality it should be
whatever period is relevant. I say that the period during which people are
being forced to pay tyrannical carbon taxes to prevent global warming is
the period during which there has been cooling. The last 17 years & it’s
accelerating. By 2020 we will see the Thames frozen over like it was last
time the Sun was this inactive. It’s still snowing here & it’s only 5 weeks
until English summer begins on 1st May.

the antarctic is expanding

they do know what caused ice ages. dr milne mentioned it briefly in this
talk. it’s usually caused by osilations in earth orbit and tilt. you can
investigate that further, as it wasn’t the main topic of this talk. i live
in australia and i’d like to know what this billion dollar industy is that
you talk about. i’d like a piece of that. we are suffering already from
global warming. my dad is a research scientist with tuna and has been aware
of this problem since the 70s.

didn’t you watch this video? it talked about cherry picking data and that
the minimum sample size for climate today should be 30years. so even if the
earth was cooling for last 17 years (which it isnt, as we’ve had 12 of the
hottest years on record in that time), you need to look at what’s been
happening for 17 years before that as well.

Check out this video on YouTube:

Very interesting (and relevant) talk on the difference between genuine
skepticism and denialism in the context of Global Warming.

A nice summary of the very often disingenuous tricks and claims of climate
change denialists.

That is exactly about I talking on daily basis on all of appropriate events
. We do not need politicians. We need smart people working for better live
on the Earth. For everyone .

Where are my science geeks? Check this guys out I think he’s my new hero.
Smart and funny.

Dr Richard Milne, School of Biological Sciences, University of Edinburgh

http://youtu.be/gh9kDCuPuU8